Paper Accepted and Published at Scientific Method 9/11

I’m happy to announce that I’ve successfully had a paper accepted and published at the website Scientific Method 9/11. It’s an updated version of my paper Other Collapses in Perspective. In it, I present scientific explanations for why other steel structure fire-induced collapses are not comparable to the WTC buildings. It’s obvious that fire could not have brought down the Towers on 9/11. But don’t just take my word for it; read for yourself here and decide if I’m right.

http://www.scientificmethod911.org/docs/Other_Collapses_Apr27_2013.pdf

Special thanks to the moderators at Scientific Method 9/11 for their review and helpful comments.

See also my SM9/11 profile page for other writings of mine.

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Fukushima's Catastrophic Aftermath Continues (Something for the Debunkers and Propagandists to Think About)

In her book titled No Immediate Danger: Prognosis for a Radioactive Earth, nuclear power/environmental health expert Rosalie Bertell (1929 - 2012) said:

Should the public discover the true health cost(s) of nuclear pollution, a cry would rise from all parts of the world and people would refuse to cooperate passively with their own death.

In her article titled "Radioactivity: No Immediate Danger," she coined a new word. "Omnicide" describes the ultimate human rejection of life. It's "difficult to comprehend," but it's happening, she said.

She called industrial radioactive pollution "cumulatively greater than Chernobyl. We are now in a no-win situation with radioactive materials, where (it's) acceptable to have cancer deaths, deformed children and miscarriages."
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Separately, she said:

There is no such thing as a radiation exposure that will not do damage. There is a hundred per cent possibility that there will be damage to cells. The next question is: which damage do you care about?

All toxic hazards are serious, she explained. Nuclear radiation is worst of all. It threatens all human life. "Our present path is headed toward species death - whether fast with nuclear war or technological disaster, or slow, by poison."

Global suicide is certain. Continued nuclear proliferation and Fukushima accelerated it.

March 11 marked its second anniversary. It's perhaps the worst ever environmental disaster. Reliable experts call large parts of Japan unsafe. They're too hazardous to live in.

According to Professor Hiroaki Koide, Tokyo's as contaminated as Fukushima. Thousands of city residents protested. They oppose nuclear power. They want safe energy sources replacing it.

Radiation contamination is widespread. East Asia, North America, Europe and other areas are affected.

Hazardous air, water and land readings across many areas globally are many multiples too high. Future epidemic cancer levels are certain. It occurs when body cells divide and spread uncontrollably. If untreated, it metastasizes and kills.
http://www.activistpost.com/2013/04/fukushimas-catastrophic-aftermath.html

The Fukushima disaster is still with us. There is no containment to stop radioactive material from escaping into the environment. Corrective action must be taken immediately.

An international effort needs to be made to entomb the ruins. If that requires a huge multi-billion dollar engineering project then so be it.

We can no longer afford to live in a world where corporate/government lies and cover-ups are normal. This system needs a shake up. The truth about the corruption needs to come out.

Those people involved in the 'cover-up business' need to realise that we are ALL in very big trouble. 'The truth' is desperately needed so we can get out of our present fix. With some imagination the world can be made a better place for everyone.
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Dear Debunkers and Propagandists - keeping the truth hidden about the corruption within our government is leading to disaster. You are all smart enough to work out where things are leading. You people are not exempt from the mess we are in. Some or all of you can make a difference by exposing the truth. Do what you can. We understand the game you are playing in the court of public opinion - protecting powerful interests - but there comes a time when you have to cut the bullshit and face up to the consequences of your actions.

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Update: Debunking the Debunkers Poll ...

Poll now closed due to technical difficulties or perhaps conspiracy!

In the short period of time this poll was open, the results heavily favored 9/11 having had inside help, hence "debunkers" creating a conspiracy theory in which the results were manipulated. There were at one time nearly 1,060 respondents showing on the poll results, a number which oddly then decreased itself to 980 something over the next month. If anybody deserves to cry conspiracy here it's us! But it was probably just a glitch or something.

Did the attacks of 911 receive inside help?

Click at the top of the right side column.

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Salon blames Infowars and "conspiracy theories" for the holocaust!

Just when you thought the attacks couldn't get more ridiculous...

Tamerlan Tsarnaev was an Alex Jones fan:

"Tamerlan “took an interest in Infowars,” according to Elmirza Khozhugov, the ex-husband of Tamerlan’s sister. He was also apparently interested in anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and was trying to find a copy of “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion,” one of the most notorious conspiracy tomes of history."

"In the real world, it underscores how dangerous and seductive conspiracy theories can be. The ideology of al-Qaida, which seems to be the primary influence on the Tsarnaev plot, can be seen as a conspiracy theory in itself, which places the United States at the center of all evil in the world. Even the extermination campaigns of the Third Reich were essentially built on a conspiracy theory."

Ironically, if you were living in early 1940s Germany and you believed people were being exterminated and tortured in those camps, you would likely have been dismissed as something akin to a conspiracy theorist by the Nazis. When the US Army liberated Dachau they said the people of the town "were to blame for their cowardice" for not standing up to the SS and forced them to tour the camps, see the piles of naked corpses and confront what they had allowed to happen. The most common excuse from the citizens was, "Wir sind aberall belogen worden" - we have all been lied to. The few citizens that stood up to the Nazis - the "conspiracy theorists" of that time in other words - were praised for their courage. So don't blame "conspiracy theories" for the holocaust you pathetic faux-intellectual shill.

Funny how whenever I make comparisons to the Nazis in videos and posts about false flags or global warming, I get criticized for invoking "Godwin's Law", but when debunkers do it, it's okay it seems.

Also, I don't even know what this "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" thing is and only ever seem to hear about it from debunkers.

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Why is George W Bush being honored with #BushCenter Library?

Join CODEPINK in sharing this message together at the same time - automatically.

https://www.thunderclap.it/projects/2005-and-justice-for-all

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Drones protest gains local and national support

stopwar.org.uk · 020 7561 9311 · 23 April 2013

1) Drones protest gains local and national support
2) Shaker Aamer - parliamentary meeting & demonstration

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1) Drones protest gains local and national support
 

The news of the Ground the Drones protest at RAF Waddington this Saturday has provoked discussion in nearby Lincoln about Britain's use of drones abroad. In a statement from Lincoln Trades Council, Nick Parker, a Lincoln resident, said “as a trade union movement, it is vital that we support [the Ground the Drones protest on the 27th]." The TUC statement went on to say

We reject the massive amount of money spent on armaments while there are cuts taking place in jobs and services in Lincolnshire. Our group recognises that the armed forces are an important part of the local economy and we support the unions who represent civilians in defending their conditions, while calling for public investment in socially-useful jobs. 

A public meeting has been called which will take place this evening at 7pm at the Revival Centre off Sincil Street. The protest has also caught the interest of local media, with stories in the Lincoln Echo and The Lincolnite. The news of the protest also led to a debate on the BBC's Sunday morning debating programme The Big Questions.

Take action

• Join the protest this Saturday 27th in Lincoln. 12.30pm at Lincoln South Park.
• Full details here. Please share the Facebook event with your online contacts.
• Low cost transport from Birmingham, Bradford, Cambridge, Cardiff, Coventry, Doncaster, Leeds, Manchester, Norwich, Sheffield and York.
• Add your name to our statement against Drones along with thousands of others including Rowan Williams and Denis Halliday.

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2) Shaker Aamer - parliamentary meeting & demonstration

• Wednesday 24 April
• Parliamentary meeting 9.30am to 11am
• Demonstration at 11.30am

The Save Shaker Aamer Campaign is calling a debate on Shaker Aamer on Wednesday 24th April in Westminster Hall from 9.30am to 11am. Shaker has been on hunger strike for too many weeks and the campaign has now learned from his lawyers that Shaker's life is in danger.

The Government must act urgently to demand the return of Shaker, a long-term British resident, from eleven years of torture and abuse in Guantanamo Bay detention camp. Though he has never been charged with any crime, and the US has produced no evidence against him, the UK Government’s repeated requests for Shaker’s release and return to the UK have been ignored.

The e-petition calling for Shaker’s immediate return has a total of 117,372 signatures, reflecting the strength of public demand for Shaker’s return to his home and family in the UK and has led to the parliamentary meeting tomorrow.

Please join our friends at the Save Shaker Aamer Campaign in a demonstration tomorrow outside Parliament. For more information, please visit the Stop the War web site.

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The FBI Would Never Manufacturer any Terror, Would They?

To hear the way the Salon.com article, "Alex Jones is phoning it in - Alex, your latest theory is terrible -- we expect more from you," tells it, you would think everything coming from Infowars.com on the Boston boming is Bunkum. Take for instance, the article "Full Extent of FBI Role in Boston Bombing Will Never Be Known." The FBI would never manufacturer any terror, would they?



One of the many reasons there is no justification for the "War On Terror."
http://www.motherjones.com/special-reports/2011/08/fbi-terrorist-informants
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/16/fbi-entrapment-fake-terror-plots
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/12/newburgh-four-fbi-entrapment-terror
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html
http://www.salon.com/2010/11/28/fbi_8/

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US Turns Away 1000′s of Cancer Patients, but has $123 Million for Terrorists in Syria

Tony Cartalucci
Infowars.com
April 21, 2013

The US has announced that it will provide militants in Syria, now openly admitted to being Al Qaeda terrorists, with $123 million in military aid – while thousands of cancer patients at home are being turned away from clinics because of budget cuts. Compounding the the criminal negligence of telling sick people to seek help elsewhere, is the fact that the military aid the US is providing terrorists in Syria will be used to perpetuate an already 2 year long, sectarian-driven humanitarian disaster.
RT recently reported in their article, “US to give $123 million military aid package to Syrian rebels,” that:

The US$123 million defense aid package, announced by Kerry at the meeting in the Turkish capital on Sunday, includes body armor, armored vehicles, advanced communication equipment and night vision goggles.

In an April 3, 2013 Washington Post article titled, “Cancer clinics are turning away thousands of Medicare patients. Blame the sequester,” it was reported:

Cancer clinics across the country have begun turning away thousands of Medicare patients, blaming the sequester budget cuts.

Oncologists say the reduced funding, which took effect for Medicare on April 1, makes it impossible to administer expensive chemotherapy drugs while staying afloat financially.

When one considers that the conflict in Syria was premeditated by the US, Saudi Arabia, and Israel, as early as 2007, simply to overthrow the Syrian government and weaken neighboring Iran, the mind-numbing criminality of America’s current foreign and domestic policy becomes even more obscene.
It was reported by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh in his 2007 New Yorker article, “The Redirection: Is the Administration’s new policy benefiting our enemies in the war on terrorism?” that:

To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.

Now clearly, while the West attempts to feign ignorance over the inception and rapid expansion of Al Qaeda in Syria, these 2007 plans are coming into fruition. It was revealed by the London Telegraph and the Washington Post that even “non-lethal” aid provided by the United States, including flour, was being used as a political weapon by Al Qaeda’s al-Nusra front in Syria to win over support in territory it invades and occupies.

When pursing a destructive war of geopolitical hegemony abroad takes precedence over the health and well being of a nation’s citizens at home, the government taking such a posture has lost all legitimacy. The people of America will continue to watch their nation rot out from beneath them as long as they continue investing their money, time, energy, and attention into an establishment clearly divorced from the interests of the vast majority. Instead, the special interests exploiting America should be identified, condemned, boycotted permanently, and replaced by local alternatives – thus stealing from beneath them both their source of power, and their capacity to continue forward.

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Putting Their Money Where Their Vote Is

Thursday, April 18, 2013
Bilbo's Blog

Apparently, 844 people in a recent poll think 9/11 had inside help. If each one of those people chipped in five bucks, it would be more than enough to cover the costs of Mark Basile's proposed study of the WTC dust.

Better yet, there are 1,877 architects and engineers for 9/11 Truth. If each of them chipped in three bucks, that would also be more than enough for Mark Basile's study.

UPDATE: And even better than that, if each of the 16,000 or so other truthers chipped in twenty-five cents, that would also cover the costs of Mark Basile's study.

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Another Scientific Study for 9/11 Truthers to Perform : The FEMA Samples of Melted Steel

Sunday, April 14, 2013
Bilbo's Blog

9/11 Truthers have already performed tests on dust samples from the WTC buildings and published their results in the peer-reviewed paper, Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe. There is controversy about their paper, and chemical engineer Mark Basile is trying to raise $5,000 to do a blind study of the dust in order to try to replicate the results.

Meanwhile, there is another scientific study that is waiting for someone to attempt. In a preliminary study of the WTC collapses, FEMA found two samples of eutectically melted steel, one from WTC 7 and one from either WTC 1 or 2. They performed a metallurgical analysis of the samples and published their results.

In The Great Thermate Debate, civil engineer Jonathan Cole produced some melted steel by means of thermate that looked very much like the FEMA samples. But as far as I know, no one has done a metallurgical analysis of Cole's melted steel, to see if it has the same micro structural appearance and same chemical content as the FEMA samples. I don't know how much such a study would cost, but I think it would be well worth the expense to see if it produced the same results. Such an outcome would strongly indicate the use of thermates in the demolition of the WTC buildings.

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Another Terror Attack; Another Terror Drill

April 17, 2013
Source: Reinvestigate 9/11

If whistleblower Ali Stevenson is correct, it appears that yet again a terrorist attack, this time the Boston bomb, occurred at the same time as an official exercise was taking place.

The Norwegian attack, the London 7/7 bombings and the 9/11 attacks all turned out to be running in tandem with exercises which were eerily similar to the real terrorist attacks.

According to Stevenson, a sports coach, there were bomb sniffing dogs at the start and finish lines. 'They kept making announcements on the loud speaker that it was just a drill and there was nothing to worry about,' he told a local TV channel.

In the case of 7/7 in London, retired police terrorist expert Peter Power, clearly in a state of shock, initially told radio listeners that the exercises he had helped organise even specified the same tube stations as the real attacks.

In the case of 9/11 the Pentagon seems to have gone to considerable lengths to hide the fact that they were running multiple exercises including an anti-hijack exercise on the morning of the real 9/11 hijacks. The 9/11 Commission discovered the evidence for the anti-hijack exercise after seizing and reclaiming tapes which the Pentagon had erased. By then, short of time and money, the Commission was not able to investigate further, even if the Washington insiders who made up its key personnel had wished to.

Washington has refused to release the details of the Pentagon's 9/11 hijack exercise script, but Richard Clarke, white House anti-terror czar at the time, has written that Pentagon exercises would often be highly realistic. Clarke is also suspicious of the role of the CIA in protecting the alleged 9/11 hijackers from arrest during the lead-up to the attacks. Recently he lent his support to multiple reports from angry FBI officers who believe they might have been able to prevent the astonishingly successful attacks used as a pretext for over a decade of foreign wars.

The mainstream media in the NATO countries have largely ignored Clarke's suspicions and may ignore important elements of the Boston reports too. Mainstream editors are under pressure from advertisers, owners and sometimes even their own correspondents who fear losing access to official sources if their newspaper causes offence. Where a story 'is going' is often more important than whether it is true. But citizens are increasingly informed by less controlled media on the internet and from outside NATO. Questions seem to be emerging faster with each incident.

Washington critic and philosopher Webster Tarpley, one of the first to draw attention to the links between Barack Obama, the CIA and the bankers, has explained why anti-terror exercises can be useful to false flag terrorists in the dark corners of a military industrial complex that has a vested interest in war and terror. They provide both a cover story if things go wrong and an explanation to colleagues not in the know if they should chance upon a plot. An anti-terror exercise running in parallel with a major terror attack is not proof of collusion but, say sceptics, it is grounds for further investigation.

For the first time since the Oklahoma Bomb in 1995 it seems that white extremists may be held responsible for a high profile terrorist attack. Oklahoma was originally blamed on Arab terrorists but the story changed following the unexpected arrest of Timothy McVeigh, an ex US special forces operative. While turning Homeland Security into a fully armed military force, the Obama administration is in a struggle to push through gun control and this attack will prove a political godsend if it can be blamed on angry gun owning white males.

In addition, Middle Eastern observers say that Al Qaeda is no longer Washington's enemy du jour. The al-Nusra Front, a key part of the insurrection in Syria, has recently announced that it is part of Al Qaeda. This puts Al Qaeda publicly back on the same side as Washington and the CIA, as it was originally, created by the CIA and the Saudis to help bring down a Russian backed government in Afghanistan in the 1980's. This time they are using terrorist bombs to overthrow the Russian backed government of Syria.

In one sense the people of Boston and the people of Damascus are now on the same side, innocent victims of random terrorist attacks, although for the people of Damascus it's on an altogether different scale.

But the mainstream NATO media are unlikely to remark on any of this. The facts are taking the story in the wrong direction. The owners and advertisers are mostly on the other side.

References

Stevenson: http://www.local15tv.com/mostpopular/story/UM-Coach-Bomb-Sniffing-Dogs-Spotters-on-Roofs/BrirjAzFPUKKN8z6eSDJEA.cspx

7/7: www.infowars.net/articles/april2009/060409Power.htm

Richard Clarke (Washington spin): www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-20091608.html

Richard Clarke (more sceptical spin): http://prn.fm/2013/01/17/2012-a-breakthrough-year-for-the-911-truth-movement/#axzz2QiiUOoQD

Ian Henshell is Co-ordinator of London-based Reinvestigate 911 (www.reinvestigate911.org) and author of  9.11 The New Evidence, Constable, London, publisher. Web publishers who wish to repost this article are kindly asked to include the link to the original, 911reinvestigate.org.

Source:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20130417135639860

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New Paper Supports Large Plane Impact at Pentagon

The Pentagon Attack: Eyewitnesses, Debris Flow and Other Issues – A Reply to Fletcher and Eastman by John D. Wyndham.

This paper deals with issues raised in a November, 2012 letter to the Journal of 9/11 Studies by Tod Fletcher and Timothy E. Eastman. These involve eyewitness testimonies as analyzed by Jerry Russell and by David Ray Griffin in his book,“9/11 Ten Years Later,” together with other topics that include debris flow through the Pentagon interior, energy considerations, and questions previously unaddressed by the author.

Four appendices focus on inaccuracies in the Fletcher and Eastman letter; on David Griffin’s list of physical evidence items that, in his view, weigh against the 757 impact theory; on the testimony of the unfairly-maligned taxi driver, Lloyde England; and on Jerry Russell’s and David Griffin’s analyses of Pentagon eyewitnesses.

You can read the paper and submit comments for moderated discussion at:

http://www.scientificmethod911.org/docs/Eyewitnesses_DebrisFlow_FandE_Apr12_2013.pdf

John D. Wyndham
April 12, 2013

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Pat Curley Has Made Up His Mind

And apparently that’s never going to change. Mr. Curley has commentedon my recent article posted at ae911truth.org, and seems to think there’s a contradiction. He writes:

Box Boy Gage publishes another article supposedly debunking the latest version of the Popular Mechanics book. Get this part:

PM refers to Barry Jennings as the sole witness to explosions in connection with the destruction of Building 7, when in fact that is completely untrue. There are several other individuals who claimed to have heard explosions right before and during the time Building 7 collapsed, including first responders Kevin McPadden and Craig Bartmer.

So now we’re back to explosions?  Remember two years ago, Gage debated Chris Mohr at the University of Colorado (Boulder) where there was this exchange:

Further along in the debate, after Gage showed the WTC 7 collapse video adjacent to a known controlled demolition Chris Mohr, ignored the visual similarity and noted that “they sound completely different”.

Gage: Well, of course they do. One is using high-energy explosives, and the other thermate, an incendiary. This is, after all, a deceptive, controlled demolition.

The first blatant problem I have to call Pat out on is the fact that he cites a supposed problem with Richard Gage’s argumentation, when it’s my arguments that are the focus of the article. Notice that the top of the article reads “Written by Adam Taylor.” That’s because I wrote it and make my own arguments. While ae911truth has generously posted my articles at their site, the content of those articles is mine. Since Pat apparently can’t tell the difference between something I wrote and something Richard Gage said, it’s difficult to see this as anything but a straw-manargument.

Second, there’s no contradiction to begin with. I explained this two years ago to Pat’s buddy James, who also has problems understanding arguments presented by the other side. Pat’s characterization of my article as “supposedly” debunking Popular Mechanics is also interesting, since he doesn’t actually point out anything I got wrong. I’m not particularly surprised by this, but it doesn’t make it any less irritating.

More amusing than Pat’s hand-waving, however, is a commentleft by one of ScrewLooseChange’s frequent visitors “Richard Gage's Testicles.” He says of me:

Oh good, Gage got more unpaid out of Adam Taylor. Taylor’s an obnoxious little pseudoskeptical anarchist wannabe, judging from his videos.

And as usual he misses the point. The absence of physical evidence of explosions outweighs reports of "explosions" in any number.

As far as I’m aware, RGT is the first to refer to me as an anarchist, so now I can check that off the list of names I’ve been called online. And pseudoskeptical am I? How so? What characteristics of a pseudoskeptic have I exhibited? Have I made judgments without full inquiry, such as Pat has done here? Or do I frequently use ad hominems, like RGT does here and elsewhere? Or have I used double standards in the application of my criticisms, like both Pat and RGT are doing here by not criticizing Popular Mechanics for the massive amount of flaws they’ve made? And contrary to what RGT asserts, I haven’t “missed the point” at all regarding the physical evidence of explosives. We’ve covered that issue extensivelyat the 911Debunkers blog, and we’ve addressed attempts to invalidate that evidence as well. Me thinks the man should reconsider who’s the real pseudoskeptic here.

I’m not the first to point these things out, and it shouldn’t be necessary for me to have to keep pointing them out, but as I said at the beginning, Pat’s apparently made up his mind, and that’s evidently never going to change no matter how many times it has to be pointed out to him. 

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More Crazy Conspiracy Theories at JREF.org

So I added a poll recenrtly and many JREF'ers ventured into wild cospiracy theorizing, but not Oystein, (thanks) take look at these comments:

cjnewson88 said:
6 to 57 now. No doubt there is a conspiracy against 'Debunking the Debunkers' at foot

John-Michael Talboo said:
[It's funny taking a jab about conspiracy theories using the derogatory connotation. It's even funnier/ironic/ and hypocritical when JREF members do it, read below.]

NoahFence said:
16 Yes
132 No
1 Maybe

oops. Not going according to plan?

Oystein said:
I am emailing with JM Talboo, one of the contributors to that blog, and we are on friendly and respectful terms. ...

JM actually thanked me briefly for posting the link here

Spanx Muse said:
It must have been an inside job !

If that's not evidence of an inside job, then I don't know what is

It's a good job there is an option to change your vote.

BangBang said:

Just goes to show the dishonesty of these people

JohnG said:

LOL The poll has changed now

It must have been an inside job !

If that's not evidence of an inside job, then I don't know what is

It's a good job there is an option to change your vote.

Wow, that is some staggering, ridiculous, shameless dishonesty And if enough people change their vote the poll question will no doubt magically transmogrify yet again.

Just like I always say, you don't have to be a sociopath to be a Truther...

...but it certainly would explain a lot.

Oystein's commentary on other posts, his text bolded, the quoted text italisized:

Originally Posted by Spanx LOL The poll has changed now

It must have been an inside job !

If that's not evidence of an inside job, then I don't know what is

It's a good job there is an option to change your vote.

Uhm - in what way has the poll changed?

Originally Posted by BangBang 

Just goes to show the dishonesty of these people Originally Posted by fitzgibbon Wow! Just wow. The irony that 'truthers' would stoop to dishonesty is epic

Originally Posted by fitzgibbon   

Wow! Just wow. The irony that 'truthers' would stoop to dishonesty is epic
Originally Posted by JohnG:

Wow, that is some staggering, ridiculous, shameless dishonesty And if enough people change their vote the poll question will no doubt magically transmogrify yet again.

Just like I always say, you don't have to be a sociopath to be a Truther...

...but it certainly would explain a lot.

Where do you guys spot the dishonesty there?

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay:

The poll question should read, "Did this poll receive inside help"?

It received outside help from whatreallyhappened.com http://whatreallyhappened.com/node/226497 - that was posted on March 17, the day before you noticed the "Yes" had gone up sharply. JM told me they got most traffic to their post and poll from there (more than 1700 page views, compared to 130 from forums.randi.org).

I don't think anything was manipulated

Spanx Muse reply to Oystein:
Originally Posted by Oystein Uhm - in what way has the poll changed?

It was a jump of 700 yes votes, As to whether the poll was manipulated before it was posted on WRH we will never know.

 

fitzgibbon said:

Wow! Just wow. The irony that 'truthers' would stoop to dishonesty is epic.

John-Michael Talboo:
Go ahead and use the poll option on blogger.com and you will find this... just as I suspected.

Create a poll

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Petition: The US President and US Congress: End wars and the attack on our civil liberties here in the US

 www.tourdepeace.org
WAY PAST TIME TO ACT:To End Wars
To End immunity for US War Crimes
To End Suppression of our Civil Rights
To End the use of Fossil Fuels
To End Persecution of Whistle blowers 
To End Partisan Apathy and Inaction

Please sign the Petition

 

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