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Friday, 22 March 2013

Quotes on Conspiracy Theories - Updated Version - Originally Posted in 2008

Posted on 17:19 by Unknown
"An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act." - http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/conspiracy

"A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena." - http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/theory

"Conspiracy simply means multiple people working in secret to achieve a common goal. This describes the executive boardroom of virtually every major drug company, and it certainly describes the actions of the FDA and the way it works in secret to destroy natural health remedies. Conspiracies may be positive in nature — as in 'We are conspiring to teach the world about nutrition' — or negative in nature. Conspiracies are so commonplace that probably nothing would ever get done in Washington or Wall Street without conspiracies (which might actually be a good thing, come to think of it)." - http://www.prisonplanet.com/jesse-ventura-speaks-out-about-conspiracy-theories-in-naturalnews-interview.html

Conspiracy Theories: Generic, Rational, and Irrational

In criticisms of the 9/11 truth movement's alternative theory, nothing is more common than the designation of it as a conspiracy theory. This designation takes advantage of the fact that "conspiracy theory" has become such a derogatory term that the claim "I do not believe in conspiracy theories" is now almost a reflect action. Lying behind the term's derogatory connotation is the assumption that conspiracy theories are inherently irrational. The use of the term in this way, however, involves a confusion.

A conspiracy, according to my dictionary (23), is "an agreement to perform together an illegal, treacherous, or evil act". To hold a conspiracy theory about some event is, therefore, simply to believe that this event resulted from, or involved, such an agreement. This, we can say, is the generic meaning of the term.

We are conspiracy theorists in this generic sense if we believe that outlaws have conspired to rob banks, that corporate executives have conspired to defraud their customers, that tobacco companies have conspired with scientists-for-hire to conceal the health risks of smoking, that oil companies have conspired with scientists-for-hire to conceal the reality of human-caused global warming, or that US presidents have conspired with members of their administrations to present false pretexts for going to war. We are all, in other words, conspiracy theorists in the generic sense.

We clearly do not believe, therefore, that all conspiracy theories are irrational. Some of them, of course, are irrational, because they begin with their conclusion rather than with relevant evidence, they ignore all evidence that contradicts their predetermined conclusion, they violate scientific principles, and so on. We need, in other words, to distinguish between rational and irrational conspiracy theories. Michael Moore reflected this distinction in his well-known quip, "Now, I'm not into conspiracy theories, except the ones that are true". (24)

To apply this distinction to 9/11, we need to recognize that everyone holds a conspiracy theory in the generic sense about 9/11, because everyone believes that the 9/11 attacks resulted from a secret agreement to perform illegal, treacherous, and evil acts. People differ only about the identity of the conspirators. The official conspiracy theory holds that the conspirators were Osama bin Laden and other members of al-Qaeda. The alternative theory holds that the conspirators were, or at least included, people within our own institutions.

In light of these distinctions, we can see that most criticisms of the alternative theory about 9/11 are doubly fallacious. They first ignore the fact that the official account of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory in the generic sense. They then imply that conspiracy theories as such are irrational. On this fallacious basis, they conclude, without any serious examination of the empirical facts, that the alternative theory about 9/11 is irrational.

However, once the necessary distinctions are recognized, we can see that the question to be asked is: Assuming that one of the two conspiracy theories about 9/11 is irrational, because it is contradicted by the facts, is it the official theory or the alternative theory? Once this is acknowledged, the alternative theory about 9/11 cannot be denounced as irrational simply by virtue of being a conspiracy theory. It could validly be called less rational than the official conspiracy theory only by comparing the two theories with the evidence. But journalists typically excuse themselves from this critical task by persisting in the one-sided use of "conspiracy theory", long after this one-sidedness has been pointed out.(25)

For example, Jim Dwyer wrote a New York Times story entitled "2 US Reports Seek to Counter Conspiracy Theories about 9/11"(26) -not, for example, "2 US Reports Say Government's Conspiracy Theory is Better than Alternative Conspiracy Theory". One of those two reports, he pointed out, is a State Department document entitled "The Top September 11 Conspiracy Theories", but he failed to mention that the truly top 9/11 conspiracy theory is the government's own. Then Dwyer, on the basis of this one-sided usage, tried to poke some holes in the alternative theory without feeling a need, for the sake of journalistic balance, to poke holes in the government's theory- because it, of course, is not a conspiracy theory.

Matthew Rothschild, the editor of the Progressive, published and essay in his own journal entitled, "Enough of the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories, Already".(27) He was not, of course, calling on the government to quit telling its story. He began his essay by saying:

Here's what the conspiracists believe: 9/11 was an inside job. Members of the Bush Administration ordered it, not Osama bin Laden. Arab hijackers may not have done the deed…. [T]he Twin Towers fell not because of the impact of the airplanes and the ensuing fires but because [of] explosives…. I'm amazed at how many people give credence to these theories.

He did not have a paragraph saying:

Here's what the government's conspiracists believe: 19 hijackers with box-cutters defeated the most sophisticated defence system in history. Hani Hanjour, who could barely fly a Piper Cub, flew an astounding trajectory to crash Flight 77 into the Pentagon, the most well-protected building on earth. Other hijacker pilots, by flying planes into two buildings of the World Trade Center, caused three of them to collapse straight down, totally, and at virtually free-fall speed…. I'm amazed at how many people give credence to these theories.

Besides failing to have this type of balanced appraoch, Rothschild described my books as ones in which "Griffin has peddled his conspiracy theory". He gave no parallel description of, say, The 9/11 Commission Report as a book in which the government peddled its conspiracy theory. Rothschild wrote, "The guru of the 9/11 conspiracy movement is David Ray Griffin". He did not add, "The guru of the government's 9/11 conspiracy theory is Phillip Zelikow" (the persona primarily responsible for The 9/11 Commission Report; see Chapter 2).

In response to the poll indicating that 42 percent of the American people believe that the government and the 9/11 Commission have covered up the truth about 9/11, Terry Allen, in an essay for In These Times magazine, explained: "Americans love a conspiracy.... There is something comforting about a world where someone is in charge." She did not offer this Americans-love a conspiracy explanation to account for the fact that 48 percent of our people still believe the official conspiracy theory- according to which evil outsiders secretly plotted the 9/11 attacks. She also ignored the fact that if people's beliefs are to be explained in terms of a psychological need for comfort, surely the most comforting belief about 9/11 would be that our government did not deliberately murder its own citizens.(28) (I, for one, wish that I could believe this.)

The psychological approach was taken even more fully in... Time magazine. Although it was entitled "Why the 9/11 Conspiracies Won't Go Away"(29), the author, Lev Grossman, was not seeking to explain why the government's conspiracy won't go away. He did quote Korey Rowe, one of the creators of the popular documentary film Loose Change, as saying:

That 19 hijackers are going to completely bypass security and crash four commercial airliners in a span of two hours, with no interuption from the military forces, in the most guarded airspace in the United States and the world? That to me is a conspiracy theory.

But this did not faze Grossman. He continued to use the term "conspiracy theory" exclusively for the alternative theory.

Then, to explain why this conspiracy theory has gained increasing acceptance, rather than going away, he ignored the possibility that its evidence is so strong that, as more and more people become aware of it, they rightly find it convincing. He instead said, "a grand disaster like Sept. 11 needs a grand conspiracy behind it." The question of the quality of the evidence was thereby ignored.

Another problem with Grossman's explanation is that he, like Allen, got it backwards. As Paul Craig Roberts, who had been a leading member of the Reagan Administration, has pointed out:

Grossman's psychological explanation fails on its own terms. Which is the grandest conspiracy theory? The interpretation of 9/11 as an orchestrated casus belli to justify US invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, or the interpretation that a handful of Muslims defeated US security multiple times in one short morning and successfully pulled off the most fantastic terrorist attack in history simply because they "hate our freedom and democracy"? Orchestrating events to justify wars is a stratagem so well worn as to be boring.(30)

Roberts also pointed out that the attempt to explain away the 9/11 truth movement in this way would not even begin to explain its leaders:

The scientists, engineers, and professors who pose the tough questions about 9/11 are not people who spend their lives making sense of their experience by constructing conspiracy theories. Scientists and scholars look to facts and evidence. They are concerned with the paucity of evidence in behalf of the official explanation. They stress that the official explanation is inconsistent with known laws of physics, and that the numerous security failures, when combined together, are a statistical improbability. - From Debunking 9/11 Debunking by David Ray Griffin

Click here to read some of the book for free on Google Books. Much more of the content can be accessed by using the "search in this book" box located on the left-hand side. For instance, the search query "NIST" yields 34 viewable pages.

Note: I strongly disagree with some of Griffin's research, such as his analysis of the phone calls from the planes on 9/11 and the Pentagon crash. However, his book does an excellent job in regard to the destruction of the WTC Towers and lack of air defense on 9/11.

Shrared by Ken Doc on Facebook:


If you are involved in a debate and your opponent cannot refute a single point you make and resorts to calling you a racist, sexist or a child molester....... It means you already won.

Ad Hominem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD50OTR3arY




"Of course, one can argue that obsession with conspiracy theories serves only to demonstrate the lunatic paranoia running rife in the twentieth century. Much talk about conspiracies is dismissed as paranoia and much of it is paranoia. But in reality, history has proved all too well that politicians lie, presidents lie and bureaucrats lie. Almost everyone lies to a degree. If we continue to be gullible and believe everything that is presented to us, the truth never comes out. It becomes not only interesting and revealing but an absolute priority to question authority and question the authoritarians." - From  the A-Z of Conspiracy Theories by Kate Tuckett

"...The often fantastic nature of conspiracy theories does not necessarily make the scenarios any less plausible. After all, soaps are only a minor exaggeration of real life, a kind of superconcentrated pastiche of the violence, secrecy, and betrayal that exist in the real world. To deny that the absolute lowest in human potential could exist in at least a small coterie of planetary citizens, and then to doubt their ability to gravitate toward each other and to plan, is to be unrealistically naive." - From The Conspiracy Reader by Al Hidell and Joan d'Arc

"There were no conspiracy theories arising from the explosion of flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, and there were no conspiracy theories arising from the work of the uni-bomber, so the newly invented psycho-babble that tries to explain the malady of conspiracy theorists, also needs to explain why millions of conspiracy theorists all decided not to theorize about those events. There is no psychological malady. There was simply no evidence to indicate a conspiracy." - Conspiracy Theorists By Jolly Roger

"Don't even think about pooh pooh conspiracy theories. Last time I checked the various data bases --Findlaw, Cornell Law Library, et al --there were hundreds, if not thousands, of court cases involving conspiracies and just that many statites involving conspiracies. That is a lot of ink spent on something that does not exist. I will not waste my time with 'conspiracy theory deniers'. Most major crimes are conspiratorial in nature. What is organized crime if not conspiratorial? What was Enron if not a conspiracy to defraud employees, investors, and the IRS? Major crime is almost always conspiratorial." - http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_len_hart_070704_declaring_our_indepe.htm

"'Conspiracy theories' seem to be the quintessentially cognitive dissonant concepts of our culture. For many people, the idea that JFK was killed by the government or '9/11 was an inside job' threatens the entire fabric of their consciousness. These things simply cannot be true and people will bend over backwards and resort to irrationality and ridicule to avoid considering them." - http://www.truthmove.org/content/cognitive-dissonance/

"This book will delve into a number of things you don't see on TV or read about in the papers. The fact is, the media--the fourth branch of government that our founding fathers anticipated would speak truth to power and keep our democracy on track --has at least since the assassination of President Kennedy systematically ignored any 'conspiracy theory' that might rock the Establishment's boat.
Clearly, there's something going on in our national psyche that the New York Times and the Washington Post don't want to examine. I'm tired of being told that anybody who questions the status quo is part of the disaffected, alienated element of our society that ought to wake up and salute the flag. Maybe being patriotic is about raising the curtain and wondering whether we've really been told the truth about things like September 11." - Jesse Ventura, from his book American Conspiracies. Listen to the entire audio book for free here:
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2011/01/jesse-ventura-american-conspiracies.html

"Understand the label 'conspiracy theory' is a tactic that the media often invokes to immediately discredit voices of dissent and people who seek truth. The tactic of creating manufactured enemies for personal gain has been around for as long as there have been conflicts. Of course there's no concrete proof of a conspiracy - the media would never allow that - but rather an abundance of evidence that points to a conspiracy on behalf of US interests." - Paris – Recording artist and performer.

Documentary 911 - Aftermath: Unanswered Questions from 9/11, narrated by Paris: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4973628827388920522&q=911+-+Aftermath%3A+Unanswered+Questions&hl=en
Website: http://www.guerrillafunk.com/about/index.html

"It is currently standard practice in America to simply dismiss any piece of information that punches a hole in any widely accepted explanation of a disturbing event. In many cases, especially when a serious crime is in question, the 'conspiracy theory' tag is immediately attached to any new discovery about the event. Information related to such important topics such as 9/11, election fraud, the new world order, secret societies, or globalization is too often ignored as part of a baseless conspiracy theory even before any of it is ever presented, discussed, or evaluated.

There seems to be no set criteria for dismissing information as a foolish conspiracy theory. The only prerequisite for information to be so categorized seems to be the desire to reject it. The reason for the rejection does not seem to matter. It appears that anything people do not want to believe is simply set aside as not believable." - http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/they_are_not_conspiracy_theori.html

"Ever since JFK was assassinated, the use of the phrase 'conspiracy theory' has been elevated to a political tool for dismissing any information that goes against whatever 'official version' being pushed in any situation. This has lead the world to where we are now.

The term became infamous as it covered the role of everything from bigfoot to Elvis. By definition though, most of the subjects lumped in with the rest simply don't fit the definition of a conspiracy theory. A theory must involve people who are secretly plotting illegal or wronful acts in order for it to be considered a conspiracy. To be a theory, it must be composed of facts... not allegations. By allowing these words to get away from their definitions and trying to defend yourself against being a conspiracy theorist, you're only contributing to the Orwellian newspeak that is being pushed on us. Facts are facts; the minute you begin thinking about them, you are theorizing. There's nothing wrong with that." - http://www.conspiracytheoristclothing.com/about.html

"Now, I'm not into conspiracy theories, except the ones that are true." - Michael Moore

"There are people, like myself, who are called 'health nuts'. A 'health nut' is a person who advocates natural health things. So that's... The 'nut' is a term of endearment now. They were called 'health nuts' by the establishment, in a derogatory way, for many, many years. But now, a lot of us are proud to take the term 'health nuts'.

Well there are also 'conspiracy nuts'. And they're identical to 'health nuts': they have been put down with that term for a long time. They're a person who has keen insights to the ongoing problems of the world; and to the news of the world, he 'reads between the lines' and he sees that there are people out there with an agenda, powerful people with an agenda. And he begins to believe it and study it, and he gets to be called, by the establishment (which is part of the agenda problem) a 'conspiracy nut'.

Well, many of us are 'conspiracy nuts'. And I'm proud to be a 'conspiracy nut'." - Tom Valentine, Radio Free America



"Most people can’t resist getting the details on the latest conspiracy theories, no matter how far-fetched they may seem. At the same time, many people quickly denounce any conspiracy theory as untrue … and sometimes as unpatriotic or just plain ridiculous. Lets not forget all of the thousands of conspiracies out of Wall Street like Bernie Madoff and many others to commit fraud and extortion, among many crimes of conspiracy. USA Today reports that over 75% of personal ads in the paper and on craigslist are married couples posing as single for a one night affair. When someone knocks on your door to sell you a set of knives or phone cards, anything for that matter, do they have a profit motive? What is conspiracy other than just a scary way of saying 'alternative agenda'? When 2 friends go to a bar and begin to plan their wingman approach on 2 girls they see at the bar, how often are they planning on lying to those girls?  'I own a small business and am in town for a short while. Oh yeah, you look beautiful.'" - Jonathan Elinoff, from his article, 33 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True, What Every Person Should Know…

Related Info:

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'Splitting The Sky' Found Dead - He Was an Activist on Many Issues Including 9/11 Truth

Posted on 16:03 by Unknown
From Facebook.com

Sander Hicks shared a link.
Yesterday
RIP Friend and Comrade, Splitting The Sky. I knew him, and supported him. He died alone, but we are still with him. http://splittingthesky.blogspot.com/
The 'Splitting the Sky' Blog
splittingthesky.blogspot.com
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9/11 Family Members Lorie Van Auken And Mindy Kleinberg Support Tour de Peace

Posted on 15:33 by Unknown
Friday, March 22, 2013
CindySheehansSoapbox.blogspot.com

I am honored to say that 9/11 Family Members Lorie Van Auken and Mindy Kleinberg, members of the September Eleventh Advocates, have informed me that they support the Tour de Peace, and its Mission Statement.

Jon Gold


Related:

Jon Gold’s Official 9/11 Justice Start Up Kit

'Debunker' Related Excerpts from and Review of '9/11 Truther The Fight for Peace, Justice and Accountability' by Jon Gold

9/11 Debate: Jon Gold Vs. Pat Curley
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Thursday, 21 March 2013

New White House WTC 7 Petition

Posted on 14:51 by Unknown
REINVESTIGATE THE COLLAPSE OF WTC BUILDING 7 ON 9/11. NEVER HAS A STEEL FRAME BUILDING COLLAPSED DUE TO OFFICE FIRES.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/reinvestigate-collapse-wtc-building-7-911-never-has-steel-frame-building-collapsed-due-office-fires/K3Yfqnph

Related:

A huge collection of other online activism links can be found here.
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Jon Gold’s Official 9/11 Justice Start Up Kit

Posted on 10:24 by Unknown

Thursday, July 26, 2012

 
Here is the 9/11 Report. I suggest you read it, and ask others to read it to understand the “official account.”

Then I suggest you ask people to watch the companion DVD “In Their Own Words: The Untold Stories Of The 9/11 Families“…

Then I suggest you ask people to you watch then former Rep. Cynthia McKinney chair the 9/11 Omission Hearings that took place not two months after the release of the 9/11 Report in New York City on 9/9/2004…

Then I suggest you ask people to watch then Rep. Cynthia McKinney’s 9/11 Congressional Briefing held in Washington D.C. on 7/22/2005…

Then I suggest you recommend the “Complete 9/11 Timeline” to get people started…

Then I suggest you recommend this series of movies I made called “What’s Being Covered Up?“…

Here is what I call the “Gail Sheehy Collection.” She is the reporter that reported on the “Jersey Girls” as they were doing their thing. It is essential reading…

Then I suggest you recommend the report on the inadequacies of the 9/11 Commission’s Report compiled by 9/11 Family Members Lorie Van Auken and Mindy Kleinberg…

Then I suggest you show people this list of unanswered questions compiled by the 9/11 Family Steering Committee…

Then I suggest you ask people to read the different letters sent out over the years by the September Eleventh Advocates…

Then I suggest you show the archived statements of the 9/11 Family Steering Committee that took place during the Commission and after…

Then I suggest you ask people to read the FSC’s testimony before the 9/11 Commission. Especially Mindy Kleinberg, and Kristen Breitweiser…

Here is an archive I made a few years ago called the “Who Is? Archives“…

Here is something several “veterans” for this cause wrote to better help activists…

Then, if all of that fails to motivate people to fight for justice, you can show them my article, “The Facts Speak For Themselves“…

Good luck!

- Jon Gold

Source:

http://cindysheehanssoapbox.blogspot.com/2012/07/jon-golds-official-911-justice-start-up.html

Related:

'Debunker' Related Excerpts from and Review of '9/11 Truther The Fight for Peace, Justice and Accountability' by Jon Gold

9/11 Debate: Jon Gold Vs. Pat Curley
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Luke's Change: an Inside Job

Posted on 10:13 by Unknown
Published on Mar 16, 2013

An examination of some questionable events and circumstances leading up to the destruction of the Death Star, through the eyes of an amateur investigative journalist within the Star Wars galaxy. The focus is mainly on the connections between the people who created and operated the Death Star and those responsible for destroying it. For those who don't care for the obvious, this is a satirical spoof of the 9/11 truther video Loose Change.



I think that video is hilarious, but there are things that can actually be learned about 9/11 by examining Star Wars.

This video was broke at first, but I found this expanded version of it.



Darth Vader and the New World Order - Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith mirrors reality
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Wednesday, 20 March 2013

R.I.P Jane Pollicino, 1953 -- 2013: 9/11 Widow Took Courageous Stand for 9/11 Families and AE911Truth

Posted on 15:04 by Unknown
Published on Mar 15, 2013
YouTube.com
 
9/11 widow Jane Pollicino, a passionate supporter of AE911Truth, passed away on February 21 after suffering a stroke, according to Newsday.

Her husband, Steve Pollicino, died in the North Tower of the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. Her husband's remains were never found.

Jane was an active member of NYC CAN, joining over 100 family members of 9/11 victims and first responders who stand side by side with the 1,700 Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth in calling for a real 9/11 investigation.

In 2009, she helped deliver a petition signed by over 80,000 New Yorkers to the New York City Council in an effort to begin a new 9/11 inquiry.

In 2011, she took part in the second TV ad by the Remember Building 7 campaign, in which 9/11 victims' family members joined architects and engineers in questioning the destruction of WTC Building Seven.

Most recently, Jane took a leading role in educating the public about 9/11 by appearing in our latest documentaries, 9/11: Explosive Evidence -- Experts Speak Out and Architects & Engineers: Solving the Mystery of WTC 7. She spoke in the most touching manner of losing her husband on 9/11, and asked why there has yet to be a real scientific investigation into what took his life and the lives of thousands of other victims. In the film, she pleads for real answers to questions such as, "Why is there no trace of more than 1,100 people?"

She also gave speeches at several major 9/11 Truth events, including the Investigate Building 7 conference in Connecticut in 2011 and the New York City premiere of Experts Speak Out in June 2012. In addition, she spent her last few years giving tours of Ground Zero to visitors at the 9/11 Tribute Center.

AE911Truth founder and CEO Richard Gage, AIA, notes, "Along with courageous 9/11 family member Bob McIlvaine, Jane was one of the most dedicated and consistent supporters of the critically important work we are doing here at AE911Truth on behalf of the 9/11 Truth movement. Her starring role at the beginning and end of Experts Speak Out is a haunting plea for justice that I hope will grip and move the hearts of all who have the good grace to see this film."
Her moving words at the film's conclusion will be a lasting memory to us all:

"The country owns this. We were all victims. We all should want answers. It's not just ours... It's not just mine. We all lost something that day."

R.I.P. Jane ..our thoughts are with your family at this time.
 


Source:

http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/727-jane-pollicino-1953-2013-911-widow-took-courageous-stand-for-ae911truth.html

Dearly Departed, Jane Pollicino, 59, spoke out for 9/11 families

911Blogger
March 3, 2013

"Jane Pollicino, 59, of Plainview, who became a prominent voice for families of 9/11 victims after she lost her husband in the Twin Towers attack, died Feb. 21. She suffered a stroke while on vacation with her family in Cancun, Mexico.

Pollicino was a homemaker when her husband, Steve, a corporate bond trader and vice president at Cantor Fitzgerald, was killed on Sept. 11, 2001. Her children,..."

Jane was a featured speaker in Architects & Engineers For 9/11 Truth's: Explosive Evidence EXPERTS SPEAK OUT and will be missed,

Long Island NewsDay
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/obituaries/jane-pollicino-59-spoke-out-for-9-11-families-dies-1.4730532

Jane Pollicino Interview NYC CAN Update 911 Family Member Speaks Out

Remember Building 7, Hartford, Conn. Part 5 - 3/26/11 - 911 Family Member Jane Pollicino

PBS - Colorado broadcasts 9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out (2012 documentary) http://youtu.be/Ddz2mw2vaEg?t=54m15s (featured at 54min 16sec)

Related:

Please sign this petition that Pollicino was helping to spearhead.

 

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Video of this event co-sponsored by Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

Scholars and Family Members Submit Request for Correction to 9/11 NIST Report

We, the undersigned Families, First Responders and Survivors of September 11 raise our voice with those from across our country and around the world in support of NYC CAN and the establishment of an independent, impartial subpoena powered investigation into the events surrounding the September 11 attacks on our nation.

Respected Leaders and Families Launch 9/11 Truth Statement Demanding Deeper Investigation into the Events of 9/11

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Monday, 18 March 2013

Posted on 14:25 by Unknown

DEBUNKING THE DEBUNKERS

I have created this note as a way to quickly look back at debunker claims and how they don't hold water.

This is one of the best sites that debunks the debunkers.....

DEBUNKING THE DEBUNKERS
http://911debunkers.blogspot.nl/


DAVID RAY GRIFFIN

Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory
http://davidraygriffin.com/books/debunking-911-debunking-an-answer-to-popular-mechanics-and-other-defenders-of-the-official-conspiracy-theory/

9/11 The Myth and The Reality - David Ray Griffin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXw3jJ3021o&

Debunking 9/11 Debunking - Let's Get Empirical - Pt.1 of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbY5_qtz83M

The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie
http://amtruth.com/articles/911_Commission_Report_DRG1
115 lies and omissions from the 9/11 report.


AE911

Debunking the REAL 9/11 Myths: Why Popular Mechanics Can't Face Up to Reality

Part 1: 
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/604-debunking-the-real-911-myths-why-popular-mechanics-cant-face-up-to-reality-part-1.html

Part 2: 
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/612-debunking-the-real-911-myths-why-popular-mechanics-cant-face-up-to-reality-part-2.html

Part 3: 
http://ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/622-debunking-the-real-911-myths-why-popular-mechanics-cant-face-up-to-reality-part-3.html

Part 4: 
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/634-debunking-the-real-911-myths.html 

Part 5: 
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/653-debunking-the-real-911-myths-why-popular-mechanics-cant-face-up-to-reality-part-5-nanothermite-in-the-towers.html

Part 6: 
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/668-why-popular-mechanics-cant-face-up-to-reality.html 

Part 7: 
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/683%20%20-debunking-the-real-911-myths-.html 

Part 8: 
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/683%20%20-debunking-the-real-911-myths-.html
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“Footage That Kills 9/11 Conspiracy Theories” Actually Validates Them
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/580-footage-that-kills-911-conspiracy-theories-actually-validates-them-.html
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9/11 Theories: Expert vs. Expert
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ySUrEiVFIM


Richard Gage

9/11 Debunker Gets His Ass Handed To Him By Richard Gage - 20/07/2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKFiGfW6aGY

9/11 Truth Debate - Richard Gage vs. Ron Craig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAQJ_fHbhBs
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We have all seen Richard Gage do this experiment with Cardboard boxes. Many people knock him for it but I praise him for trying to explain it to the American idiots that just don't get it.

Hardfire trailer ARCHITECTS & ENGINEERS FOR 9/11 TRUTH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFVi4qbN2jM

Here is the same video of a debunker mocking Richard.

AE911TRUTH PLAYSCHOOL WITH RICHARD GAGE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFVoencqfZw
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POPULAR MECHANICS

Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842

The 9/11 Lies Are Out There: Editor's Notes
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1230517
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Debunking 9/11 Myths - Popular Mechanics - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrxykBEyLAs
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Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debunking_9/11_Myths:_Why_Conspiracy_Theories_Can%27t_Stand_Up_to_the_Facts
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Popular Mechanics Attacks Its "9/11 LIES" Straw Man
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/

Debunking Popular Mechanics' 9/11 Lies
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/debunking_popular_mechanics_myths.htm

Popular Mechanics Debunked:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/September2006/270906Debunked.htm
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9/11 Debate: Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanics
Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVmEmJ666M&
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How To Destroy a 9/11 Truther
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG4yGICFsi8&
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The Popular Mechanics 9/11 IQ Test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5PGth7KbI0
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9/11 Pentagon plane two stories below ground says Benjamin Chertoff of Popular Mechanics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqU6C4khI14

"The plane itself was buried I believe it was two stories down underneath the A B C and down to the E rings of the Pentagon and it was compressed to a large extent to a smaller space... but they found the plane." Benjamin Chertoff
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‘Official’ 9/11 propaganda embraced by truthers who say that a plane hit the Pentagon
http://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2012/09/30/official-911-propaganda-embraced-by-truthers-who-say-that-a-plane-hit-the-pentagon/
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Davin Coburn Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxumh9_FCtg&

This interview was awesome!!!

The fact that a "publishing company" was allowed to see information on 9/11 that has been withheld from the general public is mind boggling. Also, Popular mechanics has refused to do anymore open debates about 9/11. I wonder why? Popular Mechanics has been debunked over and over again but yet their "story" is being spread as the truth.
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Popular Mechanics Refuse To Discuss 9/11 Flight Data, Refusal Recorded Over The Phone
http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=16902

Audio link:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/p4t/PM_RefuseDebate.mp3
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Remember Building 7 on NY1 News (James Meigs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l23ShpUrdM

Popular Mechanics James Meigs admits black boxes found and studied
http://eddieleaks.org/2011/08/25/popular-mechanics-james-meigs-admits-black-boxes-found-and-studied/
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WTC 7 Collapse Explanation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYzLu7gDbJs&
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"NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST’s analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of “progressive collapse,” a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or “kinks,” in the building’s facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse." ~ Popular Mechanics. March 2005. Pg 77, first paragraph.
http://books.google.ca/books?id=Vc8DAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77v=onepage&q&f=false

Read the last line..... "diagonal collapse" lol
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SOME OTHER GOOD VIDEOS:

9/11: A Conspiracy Theory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98

9/11 Is the LitmusTest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVY-iQDO8pg

How To Destroy a 9/11 Truther
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG4yGICFsi8&

9/11 Physics: "You Can't Use Common Sense"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDHN1gBkx0M

9 11 Debunking for Dummies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYJzIs_-BF0

Public Service Announcement: Conspiracy Theorist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1_urVQRPWU

Shit Conspiracy Theorists Say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWFXEn-4BBM

Asch's Conformity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sno1TpCLj6A

5 Monkeys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZeiSKnhOBc

SNOW TOWERS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrSAn1V7bec

Model Replica of the WTC on 9/11 - Part 1 of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw4GW977OmI&

Why Towers Did not Collapse (PROOF)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epIv0IxpuCE
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Ho, Ho, Ho! 9/11 Was An Inside Job!
http://www.theonion.com/articles/ho-ho-ho-911-was-an-inside-job,30705/

9/11 Conspiracy Theories 'Ridiculous,' Al Qaeda Says (ONION)
http://www.theonion.com/video/911-conspiracy-theories-ridiculous-al-qaeda-says,14222/ 
==============

DEBUNKER TACTICS:

STRAWMAN

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual
position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that
position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:

Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a
position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as
well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.

Example of a Straw Man:

Prof. Jones: "The university just cut our yearly budget by $10,000."
Prof. Smith: "What are we going to do?"
Prof. Brown: "I think we should eliminate one of the teaching assistant positions.
That would take care of it."
Prof. Jones: "We could reduce our scheduled raises instead."
Prof. Brown: " I can't understand why you want to bleed us dry like that, Jones."

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html
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AD HOMINEM

Argumentum Ad Hominem
http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/person.html

"Argumentum ad Hominem (abusive and circumstantial): the fallacy of attacking the
character or circumstances of an individual who is advancing a statement or an
argument instead of trying to disprove the truth of the statement or the soundness of
the argument. Often the argument is characterized simply as a personal attack."

Ad Hominem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD50OTR3arY

An Ad-Hominem is NOT an argument. It's a personal attack.
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LOGICAL FALLACY

What is a logical fallacy?

"A "fallacy" is a mistake, and a "logical" fallacy is a mistake in reasoning. There
are, of course, other types of mistake than mistakes in reasoning. For instance,
factual mistakes are sometimes referred to as "fallacies". However, the Fallacy Files
is specifically concerned, not with factual errors, but with logical ones.

In logic, the term "fallacy" is used in two related, but distinct ways. For example:

"Argumentum ad Hominem is a fallacy."
"Your argument is a fallacy."
In 1, what is called a "fallacy" is a type of argument, so that a "fallacy" in this
sense is a type of mistaken reasoning. In 2, it is a specific argument that is said
to be a "fallacy", so that in this sense a "fallacy" is an argument which uses bad
reasoning."
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/introtof.html

Examples:
http://grammar.about.com/od/fh/g/fallacyterm.htm
http://carm.org/logical-fallacies-or-fallacies-argumentation
http://web.viu.ca/atkinsona/top%2010.htm
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RED HERRING

Fallacy: Red Herring
"Description of Red Herring

A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to
divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by
leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of
"reasoning" has the following form:

Topic A is under discussion.
Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is
actually not relevant to topic A).
Topic A is abandoned.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because merely changing the topic of
discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim."
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html
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COGNITIVE DISSONANCE

This is the feeling of uncomfortable tension which comes from holding two conflicting
thoughts in the mind at the same time.
Dissonance increases with:

The importance of the subject to us.
How strongly the dissonant thoughts conflict.
Our inability to rationalize and explain away the conflict.

Dissonance is often strong when we believe something about ourselves and then do
something against that belief. If I believe I am good but do something bad, then the
discomfort I feel as a result is cognitive dissonance.
http://changingminds.org/explanations/theories/cognitive_dissonance.htm

The theory of cognitive dissonance
http://www.ithaca.edu/faculty/stephens/cdback.html

Cognitive dissonance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Cognitive Dissonance Theory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHvgr6--Lf8&

A Lesson In Cognitive Dissonance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=korGK0yGIDo
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OCCAMS RAZOR

What is Occam's Razor?
http://www.desy.de/user/projects/Physics/General/occam.html
http://www.weburbia.com/physics/occam.html

"when you have two competing theories which make exactly the same predictions, the
one that is simpler is the better."

"The simplest explanation for some phenomenon is more likely to be accurate than more
complicated explanations."

"If you have two equally likely solutions to a problem, pick the simplest."

"The explanation requiring the fewest assumptions is most likely to be correct."

Occam's Razor does not follow the scientific approach and believes demonstrations and
Experiments are not necessary.
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Here is a post you will see from a typical debunker.

What Truthers Do:
1) Deceive - Misrepresent the claims of 9/11 Researchers into "Strawman" issues that
are easily knocked down.
2) Dodge - Try to avoid or ignore any 9/11 evidence that they can not explain.
3) Deny - Refuse to acknowledge any irrefutable evidence given is relevant to the
9/11 argument.
4) Discredit - Use any possible ad hominem accusation to ruin the credibility of the
9/11 experts.
5) Repeat - Repeat the same conspiracy theories and regurgitated talking points.
6) Pretend - Pretend they understand physics, are structural engineers, architects
and whatever else so others believe them.
7) Get mad - Get mad at those who dont believe their delusions and resort to calling
them shills and controlled operatives.

My reply to this, I can use the same list for debunktards.
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